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I can't believe people are so enjoying badmouthing EFMI *just* after we had a thread about it, not to mention many in the past, which should have cleared at least some of its "flaws" a bit. Oh, well, I guess it's Myst syndrome ("It's bad because I say so!")

I'll just say a thing or two about Monkey Kombat (because only stepurhan made some constructive criticism here ). Like Lacey, I disliked it strongly because I found it boring, tedious, not difficult.

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And because of the stupid, stupid end sequence (I mean, I got rid off my notes already!).

If I may address a couple of Step's points specifically:What do you mean? It's basically the same mechanism. In MK, you tried the punches/gestures/whatever you didn't know the answers to yet until you found a monkey that knew the response. In IS advancement is based on what insult the pirate AI decides to throw at you.
Boring, as I said. The rules are thouroughly explained at the start, and writing down things (like symbols or maps) should be a common thing to adventure gamer. Doesn't change the fact that it was boring (am I repeating myself? ), and totally non-monkeyislandish.
MK plays faster, yes. But in IS, if the pirate rebutts your insult, he also makes his own right away, so it also isn't paced by the player completely. (And I don't think oop-eek-oops are that hard to memorize, personally)

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stepurhan

Its not quite the same. Maybe I can explain by example.

You are in pose A and monkey is pose B
Monkey shifts to pose C and wins. (Now you know Pose C is superior to pose A)

Later on its your turn. You are in pose D and monkey is in pose A.
You KNOW (from above) that if you shift to pose C you'll win that round but you can't. You only know how to get to pose C from position B.

You're left in the position of knowing how you want to respond but being unable to which is very frustrating. In IS, once you knew a response it was always available to you. Sure we're always writing stuff down. I think we're both on the same page here though. It's boring because a simple thing has been overcomplicated My problem is not so much the ack-eek-chee stuff. The problem I kept on having was a monkey would make its move and I wouldn't have noted its start pose down. Remembering the change words is bugger all use if you don't what they were changing from.

I note that you didn't comment on my logic argument (IS can be resolved logically without notes. MK cannot) but I'm guessing that means you agreed with that point.

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While I certainly can't disagree with the "not writing stuff down" argument, I find it nothing short of astounding that people can hate MK passionately and then go and play another maze-filled Sierra game, which requires infinitely more patience and a far more complex diagram .

If I'd been asked for comments on MK I would only ever have said that it was tedious and dull, not that it was actually that difficult. Because as soon as you do grab a piece of paper it becomes like insult sword fighting with a slight bit of memory work (and no worse, IMO, than the "If this is three, what's this?" puzzle in MI2).

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I see your point. On the other hand, didn't the replies to insults appear only after you hear them (or was it in CMI - I honestly can't remember)? That was also artificially slowing your progress, because odds are you could (driven by logical/lateral thinking, as you said) find the proper reply if you were only given the chance (it is a less frustrating way of hindering you, though, because you don't know them just yet - if you're playing for the first time).

Also, if we choose a different mathematical model, with twenty moves (A->B, A->C, etc.) rather than five (A,B, etc.), and appropriately updated what-beats-what rules, the claim that a move you know you have to make may be unavailable to you, is no longer true.

So, yes, I can see why one could call it overcomplicated.

Also: once again, I must agree with RL's post above.
No, actually, I wanted to manipulated the conversation by selective quoting. Busted! Damn, you're good.

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Christian IV

What game is the pic from?

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True, the title hasn't been mentioned in full: Escape from Monkey Island.

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Christian IV

Thanks, havent played that one yet....i like the image.

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Personally I think Monkey island two was the worst, andthat this one, though it caught me off guard withthe whole 3D thing (which I may state wasnt a good idea) I enjoyed, completedit at least 5 times, but I just gave up on knuttin atoll last time I played as it glitched.

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Gonchi

Holy thread necromancy, batman!

While we're at it though, I'll just say that I found Escape to be a decent enough adventure up until the final third of the game.

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Apart from the controls I loved this game. I'd rate it together with Monkey Island 3.

Giligan

I seem to remember playing the game with someone else, and letting them do all the MK work.

However, I do not think that it was the worst part of the game. The best part, if anything. At least during the MK sessions, you didn't have to endure poorly done modern-tech jokes and spoofs.

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